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... 11-05-08 10:01am CET
So, it's finally over. Something like 75% of the tv channels here in GERMANY had live coverage all night (I didn't stay up, though :) ... I can only imagine what it must have been like in the US the past few weeks. I for one am GLAD it's finally over.

I strongly felt that neither the R or the D candidate represented me in any meaningful way, and thus conscientiously and happily voted for the libertarian party; while Bob Barr is not perhaps my favorite person, I agree with 90%+ of the party's stated principles, and Ron Paul wasn't on the Texas ballot :( (by the way ... absentee voting is SO MUCH BETTER than going somewhere and standing in line. Even if I lived inside the US I'd still absentee vote).

Anyway, Barack Obama won a resounding victory (are people calling it 'landslide'? what percentage do you have to win by for that?) last night, and the Democratic party picked up gains in both the Senate and the House, although it doesn't appear that they crossed the important "filibuster barrier".

Here are a few of my thoughts about his victory and the next few years in American politics. First, the positive:


  • I'm somewhat glad that a black man has finally won the presidency. Maybe this will help us as a nation take a step forward in "racial relations". Neither I, my family, nor any of the people I consider being close to take race as any serious factor when determining the value or worth of a person; as much as I can understand about myself, race is simply a non-issue. Is there still systemic racism in America? I guess I don't see it, but many claim that it affects many. Every time I go back to the States I am simply blown away by how heterogenous it is; I DO think that that heterogeneity is one of our strengths. In any case, there is no place for racial discrimination in our country, and if by electing a black man that can be diminished, then more power to him (but not black power, because that would be racist too. unless you raise your fist like Billy Jack, and then it's okay)

  • I live in Europe, and if people here had somehow been allowed to vote in the election, it would have been a no-contest. To say that "Obama is well-liked in Europe" is a massive understatement. There were people here crying when he won. In order to fully understand why (it might seem weird to you in the US), you have to understand the deep, deep, deep damage that GW Bush did to our relations not only with Europe, but with pretty much the rest of the world. The USA has an inordinate effect on the world in almost every way: our trade policies, our culture, our environmental policies, and our foreign policies affect the world on a daily basis in ways that you can barely imagine. Our footprint, sociological, economic, and environmental on the world is so huge, that even China with over three times as many citizens pretty much plays to our tune. When the leader of a country that has such a massive impact basically raises his middle finger to the rest of the world, that has serious consequences. When the citizens of that country come across as either oblivious or completely ignorant, that is deeply frightening. When the military of that country invade other countries at the leaders' whim and then keep people locked up for years without trial, while at the same time claiming to be the "good guys", that is downright scary. We haven't seen true fascism in our (short) history (yet), but many people in the rest of the world have, in their lifetime. Some of the things that US has been doing smell veeerrrry similar. Anyway, the point is that Obama appears to be a massive break from the entire philosophy of the past eight years. This is deeply reinvigorating to Europeans, at least, who still admire America for so many things, and despite what some claimed, have not forgotten how much we helped them in the 20th century. McCain never came across (even to me) as anything substantially different than the past regime. I, as an American living in Europe, am hoping that Obama does what he promises in regards to re-entering dialogue other countries. Like it or not, the entire world is too interconnected to be able to ignore. Plus, now I won't have to be defensive when I tell people I'm from Texas and they inevitably ask "isn't that where Bush is from?" Also, the guy at the lunch stand where I often eat told me that I'd get a free meal if Obama won. Free lunch, here I come!!

  • As I just wrote, McCain never represented to me any sort of substantial break from the current regime. I used to have some respect for McCain, as he always took a strong stand against torture of any kind due to his personal experiences, but as I saw his principles one by one get locked into the neoconservative ideals, it was clear that a vote for him would be a vote for continuing the same philosophy that has bankrupted us over the past few years, financially, politically and morally.

  • Despite some of the panicked email forwards that I've gotten over the past few months, I don't think that the Obama administration will be some sort of "moral apocalypse". Roe v. Wade was 35 years ago; there are still abortions today, and several full Republican majorities (in both executive and legislative branches) have done nothing substantial to change that. Any moral decay that is going to happen started a long time ago and certainly won't be substantially different under Obama. There have always been activist judges appointed, from both sides of the spectrum. There always will be, as long as our system lasts. If you have a problem with activist judges, then blame John Marshall, who slipped in the entire concept of judicial review into Marbury v. Madison in 1803. That battle was lost a long, long time ago.

  • The national Republican party needed to lose, and badly. They have become so disconnected with their stated ideals and their power base, that they needed a massive spanking in order to wake up and realize they have completely lost touch. I grew up Republican in Texas; I remember the ideals of self-reliance, diligence, fiscal responsibility, less government, and I still hold to those ideals today. Then I looked at the administration and the Republican congress and for me it was just a big "huh??" I see pretty much the direct opposite being done by the Republicans in Washington, and they need to get thrown out on their heads. Maybe, just maybe this can be the beating they needed for the state and local parts of the GOP to reform and push the ideals back into Washington. We'll see how well that works out.

  • Speaking of Republicans, go look at this graph. That's not what I call "fiscal responsibility". You can claim all you want that Republicans are "for less government and fiscal responsibility" and that Democrats are "big government spending", but look at the numbers. Bush has put us trillions of dollars into debt to pay for his wars. That is "big government spending".

  • Despite the misinformation flying around the past few months, both candidates promised to cut taxes; it was only a question of who got the different cuts. From the diagrams I've seen, I get a bigger tax cut from Obama's plan than from McCain's. You can argue the merits of increasing taxes for higher earners, who actually already pay an inordinate amount of taxes, but if you actually look at the numbers, 99% of Americans get a bigger tax cut under Obama's plan. (you have to be making over $250,000 to pay more taxes under his plan). Tax cut, here I come.

  • FINALLY we have an articulate person as president again. I can't tell you how much I cringe every single time I hear GW Bush open his mouth. McCain is certainly more articulate but his jowls and robot arms scare me. Palin ... the less said, the better. Biden comes across as old white politician, which is better than fake retarded Texan I guess. Obama definitely has a great style, which is probably why so many people feel so strongly about him.



But it's not all roses. Some things I am concerned about:


  • When the president is one party and there is a strong congressional majority of the same party, massive amounts of legislation inevitably get pushed through. This happens every single time, regardless of party. I honestly wish that the Republicans had regained a majority in Congress and Obama had won the presidency; I think many of the scarier things that Obama wants to implement can't really be done by the president alone, but for issues such as foreign policy and figurehead-ness, I think he'll be great. The problem is, though, that the Democrats actually gained a bigger majority. With an executive/legislative split, there is often actual debate, as the lobbyists that go after Democrats have to fight against the lobbyists that go after Republicans. There's always pork, but at least it's somewhat striped between the two parties. With full majority and the presidency, stuff goes through much faster. Welcome to Porkville!

  • Some of Obama's stated policy desires really do concern me. I'm especially worried that people will see the failures of the neoconservative/big government philosophy (which has been called "free market", even though it has very little in common with that) and swing to the other extreme of protectionism and regulation. With a uneasy populace and a majority in congress, I'm expecting alot of new regulation on everything to come through, which will not only not help things (we've ALWAYS had regulation; the housing market is one of the most highly regulated markets there is) but probably even hurt them. People also seem to forget that Obama voted FOR the bailout.

  • The single most telling thing that bothered me during this whole election was the assumption that we need someone to "fix" things at all. This was tangible from both candidates in equal measure: "Our country is hurting, and I'm going to fix it". The only real choice in this election, if you voted for one of the two major parties, was which flavor of "fix" should the government push. Ron Paul was the only serious candidate in this race that raised the question: why do we need government to "fix" anything at all? This was probably my #1 concern about this election, and why I've told anyone who asked why I didn't think there would be any real substantial difference whether Obama or McCain won. Most Americans seem to think that if only the RIGHT candidate won, then HE would fix all of our problems. Very few people seem to ask if there are fundamental problems with the system/structure in the first place. I'm very worried that the next president and congress will try to meddle even more in the economy and everything else, and might turn a downturn into a real depression. So in that regard, whether Obama or McCain won, it doesn't matter since both parties have made clear their true philosophies of government.



I hope that whether or not you are happy that Obama won, you can take pride in the fact that the elections seemed to go smoothly, there was no rioting or violence, and nobody was threatened into voting for one candidate or the other. That IS a blessing we have, that many in the world do not.

I also hope that, if you really believe in America, you stay interested in the system and keep fighting (non-violently) for your say. In the English parliamentary system there is the concept of the "loyal opposition" - the party that is opposed to the ruling party, yet still completely loyal to the Queen. And so I consider myself in the loyal opposition to both the Democrats and the Republicans. I'm actually more interested in politics now that I live outside the USA than I ever was before, and am more committed than ever to upholding the ideals set forth in our Constitution. I only wish they'd do the same in Washington.
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cowboybrianWHAT?! the ex-CIA agent who says he stands for liberty is not you favorite person?

Why not? 
marlaHAHAHAHAHAHA I miss Billy Jack...not really, but it makes me sound cool to say that because it means I actually know who Billy Jack is :) 
deusvitaeThanks for your reasoned and measured response. 
sarahpetThanks for giving us your insight. So many of my friends think he is a miracle worker and I am thinking that he was mainly voted in because people were just sick and tired of the likes of Bush and his disregard of the struggles of the working class tax payer. They would have voted Daffy Duck in if he said the word "change".
( wow, 40% of Americans don't pay taxes?) 
navydocVote Ron Paul for prez! 
emmybearthanks for your analysis:) that was helpful to me. Question for ya-I am thinking pretty stronlgy right now of teaching abroad, maybe China or South America, and I was wondering what company you went through to go teach in Germany? There are several different ones out there online, but I'm not sure which ones are reputable. Any advise? and thanks for pleo by the way:) its been grand@ 
tnerbydoomA part from any war spending Bush's spending increased over that of Clinton. Defense is rather important, people are always going to disagree with certain wars, but the real problem is not war spending, it is all the other spending. That is not to say we should be spending so much on wars, but that I at least understand the need to fully fund our military and protect our borders. 
tnerbydoomSomeone earlier said something about Obama cutting taxes but energy going up. How about this: He will not cut taxes and energy will still go up. We will not see a dime of tax relief under Obama. At best he will do nothing until 2010 when we will revert to the Clinton tax margins, which are higher. We will all be paying more in taxes, count on it. 
sunshinelove05I really appreciate you spelling out your assessment of this election. i really enjoyed reading the writing of someone with a good perspective of this country. most people who have lived here their whole lives have a hard time seeing the forest for the trees and you know the USA intimately but now that you are standing back from it some (and living in Europe) you have a good view of the forest AND the trees.

anyway, thanks. 
vandeI appreciate the good thoughts. I'd like to be able to state things as confidently as you do but unfortunately my method of researching facts is to simply listen to what other people say and then pick and choose what makes the most sense to me. I have a few concerns about our president elect too but ultimately I’m happy to see the Rep party sober up.

I hope to visit Europe one day but a short visit will not give me the same perspective you have after having lived there for many years now. Perhaps that is why I don't understand (as you said I wouldn't) that the "The USA has an inordinate effect on the world in almost every way:" This to me sounds like the Bush blaming game. I hear it said that the power of the president in the US is limited. Limited by term, congressional opposition, bipartisanship etc… and then to turn around and say that GB and his policies have crippled the world economically, sociologically, and environmentally is inconsistent. I agree that no candidate will essentially fix all the problems of US much less the rest of the world. This is why I don’t have to deal with heartburn over the next 4 years.

Finally, I would like to echo your thoughts about the blessing of being an American citizen. We are truly blessed in this country and I will always be proud to be an American. 
astroWell said Kennon.... 
tlb9596I can't believe you're criticizing McCain's gestures. Do you not know he had virtually every bone in his body broken in Vietnam? 
kennon@vande: I don't personally think that Bush himself somehow "crippled the world"; I was mostly making the point that that is exactly how it comes across to the world, and trying to explain why people outside of the US feel so strongly about it. 
kennon@tlb9596: yep, and if he had actually stood up for his principles against torture like he used to, I would probably have more respect for him. As it was, he pretty much caved on all of the things that used to make him worthy of respect. I don't think anyone is impugning his service to our country, but just because someone has given a huge sacrifice for our country doesn't mean that they are qualified to lead it. And his jowls still scare me. 
marlaK, my current post is in your honor :) 
trx"The USA has an inordinate effect on the world in almost every way" doesn't speak to just politics - Hollywood and American culture pervade large portions of the rest of the world; that's why you can go most anywhere in blue jeans, sneakers (trainers), and a Dallas Cowboys t-shirt and pretty well blend in, and why you're seldom very far from a Big Mac and a Starbucks Venti Latte. 
heliocentricHey, any news on Pleo 3.0? I'm not impatient, just wondering. 
tlb9596Kennon, I know you respect his service. I just don't get why people make fun of his awkward movements and the fact that he can't use a keyboard. Liberal or conservative, it's inappropriate. 
tlb9596As far as what the rest of the world thinks about us, like Bush or not, he has cajones. Obama does not, and the world knows it. I am not at all encouraged by an Obama presidency.

And it is not a sign that the U.S. has become "less racist". 96% of registered blacks voted for him. Only some 40% voted for Kerry, so it's hardly ideological. And we've progressed?? 
meaganThis is a well thought out post. Thanks, Kennon. 
iammountainfolkI know you follow the moves of Ron Paul, and Freakonomics is running an interview of sorts with him here
tlb9596You know what would be a really cool feature? I don't know how easy it would be to write, but when someone responds to you, if you get a message or notification that you got a response. That way if you post on someone else's blog or on a discussion board or whatever, it's easier to keep track of it. 
jennysullivan79I created a new user name and I was needing to know about deleteing the old one that I have been using. My new user name is HayHaysMom. If you could please help me out I would appreciate it. 
diannesThe Sanford clan enjoyed spending Thanksgiving with your family. We all missed you. We had some good singiing. 
rebeccabloomHi I'm Rebecca and I was wondering if there's any way to get back post that I deleted? 
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Sometimes it feels... 10-05-08 07:39pm CET
...like I'm living in the future.

where's my flying car already??
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raifhausHappy Birthday! I do so appreciate Pleonast. TMBG, not so much, but thanks for introducing me to that too. (You and Brent Pas. in brain bowl study sessions) 
spike427hope you had a nice birthday! 
smileymiley41will you delete my old accounts? hannah_montana and princes_princess please? thanks :) 
quasimodowhy have you stolen my blog? blast you! happy birthday 
kamilleIf you are signing up for gold, can you use credit card or paypal only? The gold site said you use paypal but after clicking & going on to the other page, it said it you have no paypal account, you could use credit card. If you have to use paypal, will it walk me through the steps necessary to get an account? Thanks. 
marlaIf you're ever looking for a Halloween costume, you could be someone from TRON:
 
earthshine2112Is there any way to allow a digg button on pleonast? 
adampualyou'll notice something familiar on my blog. 
marlaOh man, just saw the new MacBook. Looks gorgeous. I hate how they update things so often that they make you drool. Oh well, my computer's only a year old, and it's JUST FINE for my needs :) 
quasimodohey check the date buddy! you stole my blog! 
kerriganWill the rest of our blog entries be back soon? 
kennoni'm working on the old data and the new version; it's coming, it's coming!! 
ninja_penguinYou're a good man, Kennon Ballou! 
kerriganthanks :-) not meaning to pester, just curious! 
marlaHeehee! :)
 
diannesHappy late birthday! Jim has been expecting his flying car, since the 90's. The Jetsons have theirs. 
jabberwockThe problem is that Fannie and Freddie were not mortgage originators. They weren't the ones who went out and said, "Sure; I'll make a $500K mortgage loan to a waitress." Those loans were made by short-sighted, greedy mortgage companies who knew full well that they'd be required to buy the loan BACK from Fannie/Freddie if the homeowner defaulted. What that tells me is that we need rules that say, "No $500K loans to waitresses." Apparently people don't get that. 
jabberwockNot to mention the whole CDO debacle, which was the brainchild of some Wall Street whiz kid who thought that if you take the best parts of a whole bunch of piles of manure and combine them, you get something other than a pile of manure. In reality, you don't. Apparently, we need rules to tell people not to do that too. 
jabberwockDon't really disagree with anything you said. The bailouts don't fill my soul with joy either. However, when you have a bank that's "too big to fail" (and I think these banks may have been, if only because Wall Street would have collectively gone into the fetal position), there seem to be three alternatives: One, bailout (bad). Two, impose regulation that keeps the bank from getting that big. Three, regulate the bank to keep it from engaging in bad business practices.

One thing I do disagree about is that moral hazard caused the banks to do dumb things. Five years ago, NOBODY except a bunch of fringe crazy bloggers was expecting this thing to implode as dramatically as it did. All the important players, from home buyers to bank CEO's, assumed housing prices would go up and up and up forever. All of those exotic mortgages and debt instruments were based on that premise, which they all should have known was dumb and didn't.

Basically, I hate the bailouts too. I think that both people and corporations who make dumb decisions should pay the price. However, I don't think they should be allowed to take the financial system down too. If my next-door neighbor wants to kill himself, whatever. When he chooses three tons of TNT as the means of his departure, that's when I start objecting. 
tangsoodotpmHello Kennon. Just a question: how do I close my account? 
trxHey, Kennon - we're off daylight saving time over here. 
marlaHey I was about to say that very same thing! 
dellkimare u craze!???? 
angelaNo, I am craze. 
caitlynseeI have a question, someone was saying that you were the one who made pleonast.Is that true?Just wondering!Thanx! 
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Don't believe the lie... 09-21-08 08:29am CET
...that the Republican party is in any way shape or form for "small government".

If you vote for the GOP this November, do so with full realization that they have expanded and are continuing to expand the federal government far more than the other party has done in recent memory.

Also don't be distracted by disastrously inexperienced and corrupt women from Alaska who conveniently forget whether or not they wanted a bridge.

I'm certainly no fan of the Democratic party, but giving any vote to the GOP is a vote for more government in your life and more government in the world.

There are third parties available, despite the fact that both the GOP and the Dems would rather you forget that. The absolute vice-grip that the two major parties have will never be broken until you start voting your conscience and not the "lesser of two evils".

You don't have to vote for Kang OR Kodos.
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psyrealityAgreed... I don't really understand this blind adherence to the republican party- especially as it relates to being a Christian (would anyone deny the link there?)

As far as "socialized medicine" is concerned, I'm surprised that we don't find it a fundamental right to help the suffering (but we certainly believe in our "pursuit of happiness"... Yeah, that's what Jesus would be all about).

PBS Frontline did a very interesting documentary that you can watch (in its entirety) on their website. It's called "Sick Around the World". They look at the pros and cons of 5 capitalist democracies with socialized medicine plans. One of the fascinating facts unearthed was that some of them spend LESS per year on medicine than we do.

I think, unfortunately, people won't really understand the need for public healthcare until they (or someone they love) become truly sick. It's at that point where you find that the insurance companies really aren't looking out for your best interest... I know several people who are in a bad state of health because their insurance deemed them "uninsurable" or their particular malady a "pre-existing condition". 
kennonwell, I think trying to socialize medicine on the scale of the USA would be an unmitigated disaster.

As someone living in a country with socialized healthcare, I have to say it's not really all that it's cracked up to be.

There is definitely a certain level of base healthcare that is provided, but if you want anything they deem of lower priority, you are going to wait, sometimes a very long time.

For instance, my wife had some serious chest pain and had to go to 3 different doctors and wait six weeks in order to get xrays done. That's pretty typical here.

I think there are two issues here; first, the philosophical question of whether our society has the duty to take care of its citizens' health. The second is how to best accomplish that.

Pretty much every single 'debate' I've heard about this topic confuses those two issues.

I agree that it is our duty to take care of our citizens ... but I am not convinced that having a national socialized system would in anyway even accomplish this, much less be beneficient.

However, the federal government could make a good step forward by unshackling the states to let them try different methods, as Massachusetts wanted to do but was not allowed to.

The primary problem with socialism in practical terms is that above a certain population size, it is virtually impossible from the top to understand the true needs of the constituents.

Families function fantastically as mini socialist states, and there are even examples of countries with socialized systems that work quite well.

Norway, for example, has apparently a fantastic socialized health care system, but has less than 5 million citizens and they are sitting on huge amounts of oil money.

It might be inefficient, but I'd imagine a socialized healthcare system for just Houston (about the same number of citizens as Norway) might work fairly well.

But to scale that to the size of the USA would be simply disastrous; if you think they waste your money now, just imagine what they would do when they had even more money for healthcare. (of course, if they simply stopped funding ridiculous wars they would have instantly alot more money to play with) 
kennonActually, I'm not pointing my finger at you specifically, but what cracks me up is people who spend a huge amount of time complaining about how much money the federal government is wasting (on wars or whatever else) and then almost in the same breath talk about how they want to give the government even more and put them in charge of our health. 
tangsoodotpmMy mom has fought non-Hodgkin's lymphoma for five years and has not used chemotherapy. She has used holistic and alternative therapies, and has outlived nearly everyone else we've known of that has had either the same cancer or a cancer in general that treated it the conventional route. Yet, many holistic remedies are either unavailable due to ignorance of the use, or illegal, thanks to the government getting involved in healthcare, like marijuana. Government is the largest problem in medicine, and it is one of the reasons why insurance agencies try to hurt their customers. 
psemmusaI'm sorry to hear about Chris, Kennon. Is she ok now? 3 doctors & six weeks for X-rays, sehr schlecht *shakes head*. I think your idea about re-scaling health care for smaller population sizes / areas, is a very good one. 
psyrealityI think it's a fallacy to assume that all socialized medicine operates like the German model. My reason for mentioning that documentary specifically, is because it looks at the pros and cons of several different systems in an effort to find a system that will both benefit society as a whole and be more fiscally responsible. (If I recall, Germany did have a "waiting" problem, whereas others did not). The program was more of a serious examination to determine the ratio of free market vs government regulation (because none of the systems that were completely "socialized" worked very well). That's why I specifically stated "top five capitalist democracies." We're not talking about complete socialization here... but our system doesn't work. Anyone who disagrees has never been poor/seen the poor.

... and I must say that your concept of health care for smaller population sizes doesn't compute for a nation of our size either. Why Huston may be sitting on a pile of oil money, what about Selma, Alabama? We already have so many class issues here- don't you think all the rich white folk would flood to the areas of the country where they would receive the best health care (because, no doubt, the price to live in those areas would be astronomical), leaving the poor to live in impoverished areas of the country (i.e. slums). 
poppins_momExactly why I'm voting for Chuck Baldwin. And for all you Ron Paul fans, this is who he endorsed for president! It's time people realized they don't have to pick between the lesser of two evils anymore!! I am a Christian not a Republican, there is a huge difference now days. For all the people who vote Republican, just because of social issues like gay marriage, abortion, etc. look at where we are today. A republican is in office and there are more gay marriages than ever before. Abortion is still legal, and the economy is in the toilet!
We have to face the fact that religious views on subjects is not a concern of GOP politicians today. Yes, the democrats are very liberal on these issues and won't do anything to change them, but do we really think the republicans will either! I'm sorry but I can't in good conscience support a candidate who thinks you have to make in the millions to be considered rich and who thinks the fundamentals of our economy is strong when the small businesses and the little man can't even make it anymore and the current administration is a joke and we don't need another 4 or 8 years of it. The democrat is arrogant and extreme liberal, the republican is in a dream world. I know there are people who say that a vote for someone other than McCain is a vote for Obama but I don't want to give a vote to either because it's scary to think that one of them will actually become president.
If we all have that thinking, nothing will ever change. It's about time we stand up for what we believe, and if everyone did that, it wouldn't be a vote for the democrats, but a vote for the third party.
Thank you for this entry!
Baldwin/Castle 08!!! Continuing the Revolution!! 
el_magnificoKennon, got a question for you about my gold account. Paypal says that I cancelled the account, but I have no memory of doing that. Any suggestions? 
caseymp3Your comment doesn't fit in with real economic rules... supply and demand. It ignores market, and it ignores competition, and it insults the humanity of poor people, treating them as if they are incapable of rising above anything. 
wrexI'm considering Baldwin, but there are a few beliefs of his that disturb me. For starters: he wishes to be be completely rid of the FDA. Granted that administration could use some reform, but its good to have a least some regulation in the market which they oversee. He also wrote that the confederacy's part in the war between the states was justified, and that the Leaders of that time were not racist. He also believes in the possible validation of the conspiracy theory in which the U.S. may have been involved in 9/11 which is completely ludicrous. 
evilmonkeyStates with the best healthcare would undoubtadely be the state that tax the rich the highest. So no, they wouldn't flock to those states. States with lower taxes are shown to have more "immigration". The rich can afford healthcare on their own, unless we're proposing making it illegal for any private care, which is just evil in itself. And every larger country that has socialized medicine has a waiting problem. It's simple economics. The amount of healthcare is limited, and so it has to be rationed some way. Prices are the normal way this happens in a market. But if it's "free", then only a very limited number of people can take advantage at any given time. Hence the long wait times. 
psyreality*sigh*... With these last statements, I'm out.

My "comment" was to watch a (I believe) well informed documentary on socialized medicine and the American economy- which you obviously haven't. It doesn't (which you wouldn't know since, again, you haven't seen it) ignore "supply and demand."

As far as my concerns for the poor- I'm honestly (as a poor person according to the national poverty standards) insulted that you think being poor makes one "incapable". I never said that, and your implication is offensive. I believe that anyone can do great things, Lord willing... but if they don't, it doesn't mean they are "less human" or "incapable".

Jesus said that we would always have the poor with us (if you're not a Christian, please forgive the Jesus mention. Since you're on pleo I feel it's a safe bet), and my concern is for those who try their hardest but don't attain that "magic American dream" of having thousands of dollars to spend on inflated doctor's bills. (Why don't you do some research on the amount of medical bill bankruptcy in this country?)

I'm not treating poor people as if they are incapable of rising above anything", I'm making allowances to stop the suffering of those who might have fallen on the side of the road (Good Samaritan anyone?). And the word "anything" is a poor word choice. I'm not talking about "anything". You try "rising above" colon cancer. 
kennonpeople people people ... calm down, try to discuss things rationally, and don't insult other people and try to take everything with a grain of salt.

remember in an online forum it's sometimes easy to come across the wrong way.

i'm the only one who can have political polemics here. commenters need to either agree with me or be quiet. JUST KIDDING!! but make sure you treat each other with respect (as I try to do to you) 
psemmusa*kowtows before the Great and Powerful Kennoz* :D Kennon for President! But then you'd need to return from Deutschland. Chris would make a great First Lady, though. Any thoughts re a running mate? I nominate Dan :D 
cmvermontwithout personal regard, psyreality's prediction of the rich (albeit not necessarially just white) people flooding to areas where they could receive the best health care is economically sound.

in fact, that's what should happen, as the free market adjusts the price to put the demand in equilibrium with the supply. if that wasn't allowed to happen (ie with socialized medicine) we would eventually experience all the problems in the healthcare industry that we're experiencing right now with the mortgage and lending industries.

any short term benefits of socialized medicine would be completely outweighed by long term detrimental effects. think about the future! 
lilsisso, I made my first loan on Kiva, but I didn't join the pleo group before making the loan so I don't think my loan counted for the pleo group (even though I joined afterwards). Oh well, maybe next time. 
lilsisThanks so much for sharing that website!!! I hope to eventually make many loans on there! It's a great idea!!! 
angenymityHi...quick question: are pleogold blogs immune to Google searches? What are my options if I want my blog open to the pleo community, but not the world? 
poppins_mom^ as an partial answer to your question, I know they show up on Google because if I search my name, poppins_mom, or my business name, they come up on Google and a great many of the stuff is from here on Pleo, many right on the first page. 
kon_tikikennon, your comparison of present situation with 1984 is laughable. the media has attempted to derail Bush and the Iraq War from the beginning. I doubt there are 1 in 100 people in Europe who could name 1 positive thing that has happened in Iraq. All we hear is death, death, and more death. Now, given the media orgy over Obama, 1984 might come to pass...only if they manage to reinstate the Fairness Doctrine and shut off FOX.

And concerning Obama at least raising tazes to cover the bailout...surely you know that raising income or corporate taxes always produces LESS revenue.

But, I fear your original point has a great deal of truth. While I don't think McCain is corrupt like Obama I have very little hope that he will change anything significant in D.C. 
kon_tikiwhat would you think of a Huckabee / Paul ticket in 2012. I'm impressed with Huckabee's charsima and he seems committed to Free Market ideas. Paul may have great ideas but he simply lacks all important charisma from what little I have seen. 
plumbguruThe number one issue for me remains ABORTION. Dems support it, Republicans in general are pro-life!! 
marlaEnjoy! 
tlb9596That would be an interesting ticket, considering Ron Paul is a pascifist. 
tnerbydoomKennon great point. Republican and Dems are both for big gov't. Neither have what is best for our country at the top of their priority. 
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Kiva pleonast team 09-04-08 12:11pm CET
As Kiva.org recently added support for teams, I just created a team for pleonast users who are also Kiva lenders. I have already invited several of you that I know of, but if you are interested please visit our team page at http://www.kiva.org/team/pleonast.

If you don't already know about it, Kiva is a website that facilitates lenders who want to support microloan transactions in developing countries. It's super easy to invest money in development in countries that really need it, and it's a /far/ superior method to actually help people than just blindly giving money to foreign governments or to people, creating a dependency which is not healthy for growth. Since they are actual loans, the beneficiaries are required to pay the money back, and thus must have a valid business plan.

Kiva itself is very transparently run, with 100% of money loaned going directly to the beneficiaries, and operating costs being paid for by separate donations directly to Kiva.

I've been a lender for about six months now and so far about 50% of my loans have been repaid and the rest are still in repayment. Kiva works with institutions in the developing countries and they boast across the board a very low default rate.

You can start with as little as $25 to really make a difference, and you can choose where and to whom the money should go, based on location, gender, business, etc.

For the month of September, if you sign up for Kiva for the first time and join the pleonast team, I will match your first $25 loan with my own $25 loan to the "closest" person to your beneficiary (kiva loans usually get completely filled within minutes, so I can't promise to be able to loan to exactly the same person :) ).

With interest rates being lowered steadily, this is a real way to actually invest your money in making the world a better place!

Please drop me a line at kennon(at)pleonast(youknowwhatcomeshere)com if you have any more questions!

NOTE: If you make a loan for a first time and have it credited toward the pleonast group, please drop me an email the first time so I can know to login and match your loan. I can't view all of the information from your loans and the activity log lags a bit. Just let me know who you loaned to so I can match it - it's kind of spammy and I want to make good on my promise :)
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dr_wormThis is a cool idea. 
dbsmelserKennon, that sounds awesome. I'll be looking into it further. 
honourboundHey Kennon, I've joined. Great idea! 
marlaWoohoo! Just made my first loan - thank you for the extra push...the rents had mentioned it before, as had Angela, but this was the added motivation I needed. :)

(btw, Muhammad Yunus, who's a major player in microloans and won the Nobel Peace Prize for his bank, is a Vanderbilt alumnus :) That's your random trivia for the day) 
bryanharwellWhen can I have my old blog posts back? At the very least, can you email me my old blog posts? I want them back. I was wanting to do a compilation of my blogs. 
tu_madrewow, that sounds a lot better than giving a nigerian businessman who can't spell good my bank account information... 
robbiojoined and posted about it...kinda disappointed though. The last time I looked at kiva.org (and didn't join), there were dozens of folks listed in need. When I joined this afternoon there were like 5. I guess thats a good thing if there are more willing to give than they can keep up with. 
marlaHey Robbie, did you notice this statement on the website? I think it may answer your frustration...

"We're experiencing record traffic after some exciting new feature releases--check out our new Lending Teams! While we may not have a large variety of loans on the site right now and loan requests are being funded very quickly, new loans are being continuously added. We hope you find an entrepreneur whom you wish to support." 
waxtadpoleif i'm gold (it was a gift), how do i stay gold when my gift expires? 
dragonflyKennon, sounds like a great org. Thanks for providing the update...I will definately be checking it out and passing the word along. 
sparkerCool, I've been a lender for awhile. One more payment and I believe I'll be 100% repaid and can re-lend :) 
dr_corndogMaybe this is the wrong place to post about it, but I couldn't find anywhere else. I was wondering about these "Teach the Controversy" T-shirt ads. Some of them are funny, but others range from simply immature to obscene and disgusting. 
marlaI know you're going to hate me for this, but...

My cat likes to hide in boxes! :)

cat 
pollysounds like a great program not sure what all the hub bub about this not being a scripturally sactioned program is all about. I don't think Christ would look down upon any giving. However, I do agree that giving without expecting a return is much better. 
diannesVery interesting! I will do more research, into this. 
robbioFOR SHAME! Quebec has given more than Pleonast. QUEBEC!! 
honourboundOf far greater shame than Quebec (there are some faithful Christians there by the way), the group, Kiva Lending Team: Atheists, Agnostics, Skeptics, Freethinkers, Secular Humanists and the Non-Religious, have 399 members and have given $13,675.00. They became a group on Aug. 28, 2008. Surely we can do better than 27 members and $1,250.00. They only have a 1 week head start on us.

http://www.kiva.org/community/viewteam&team _id=94 
honourboundhttp://www.kiva.org/community/viewteam&team_id=94 
kailuaToday is Christopher Mongeon's Birthday! 
trxumm, there are are a lot more candidates for that team than there are pleonast users, probably by a factor of 10000? 
honourboundTrue, but there are 13644 Pleo Weblogs and 27 users have got on board with Kiva. 
lboogie1403for some reason I can't upload pictures on the 'edit weblog' page...can you fix this please? it keep saying 'error uploading!" 
cowboybrianis there an option somewhere to dissolve a group i made? just wondering 
sam_edu^^^ no there's not an option, but alert the moderators and they'll delete the group for you. 
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Advertising on pleonast 08-15-08 04:41pm CET
I've been using Google adsense for the advertising on non-gold member blogs for awhile now, but their payout has been steadily decreasing over the past year and so I decided to try something different.

Today I turned on ads from "Project Wonderful", which is a transparent marketplace for ads which is based on an auction.

Basically I set up the ad spots and then on anyone can bid to show their ad in that space. Bids are based on a cost per day (regardless of click through) and is always given to the highest bidder.

Right now the high bid is $0.02 a day, but I'm hoping that competition will drive it up a bit.

The bidders only pay for each second that the ad is the highest bidder, so if you're outbid you only pay for the time that you were actually being shown.

One thing I like about this is that I can approve all ads that are shown; on Adsense you can only ban ads that have already loaded but you can't approve them beforehand.

If you, for instance, are interested in advertising almost anything across pleonast (and helping support the site!) you could do it right now for as little $0.03 a day. Just go here to sign up!
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cmvermontBWAH HAHAHAHAHAH 
mattdevoreWow, it's up to $7.40 per day now! 
jimmybuckCheck my blog. 
diannesVery interesting. 
evilmonkeyHey, you'll need to place the banner right after the post and before the comments for that post if you want the bid price to skyrocket. The CTR sucks right now, and the banner is pushed way below the fold if there are just a few comments. Just some feedback from a customer ;) 
nickkrumreiDo you have a link to the history of Pleonast? It started off of John's list right? This grew from that beginning? Is it an acronym? Tell us a story Uncle Kennon! 
jimmybuckNo. 
evilmonkeyHa, looks like the offer screwed up a bit and was redirecting to something else. Should be fixed now. 
scbrewergotta say, I have heard a lot of complaints about it thus far. Many people saying that they didn't sign up for pleo for it to look like Myspace. I signed into an account I have that isn't gold and I have to agree... 
scbrewerCourse, if you have firefox, there's an Ap to block ads. :) 
fishing827Kennon, i was hoping you could give me some pointers on a project i'm thinking of undertaking. could you please e-mail me when you get a chance? tommyscotchmoss@hotmail.com thanks, IAN 
packetstorm5150I recommend:
 
drovercan you change my name? 
ex_patThank you so much! Come visit anytime! 
fluffy_koalaHey Kennon, I got on my pleo last night and my gold was gone. It has been about a year since I bought it so it is about time it expired, but I thought I would get a notice or something.....now all my galleries are gone that took me forever to make.....Are they gone for good? Or will I get them back when i purchase gold again? I'll be waiting for your responce:) 
purdyinpink818I know how you're deleting posts and everything to save space, but if you don't mind saving one post from October 7, 2007, if you can't its fine, but its how I show people my song online, so I don't have to email them the file b/c is a monster of one ;) 
purdyinpink818oohh okay good!!! I've heard for a while the new version was coming out... but now I hear it from you and believe it hahah 
belleHi! I have a question...is there any way to save, or "archive" old posts? I just realized that I lost (or...I think they're gone...I don't see them) 2 years of posts. Are those gone forever? Is there anyway to retrieve them? Looking forward to hearing back from you! :) Thanks! 
belleOk, great. Now that you said that, I think I remember reading that message you sent! Sorry! Bad memory... :) Thanks for all your hard work! 
dwboydkennon, thought about getting a gadget for igoogle?

I was at the Leipzig airport the other day, but I had no way of calling or emailing you. Later. 
dragon_riderDUDE! *i know you dont know me but ill tell u anyway* lol! YOU Need to bump up the FIREWALLS on your server!!! PPL are starting to Hack your Website!!!!!!! JUST A WARNING BEFORE YOU LOOSE CONTROLL OF PLEO TO SOME GEEK HACKER!!!!!!! Thanks for reading this! :) And you REALY need to act fast tho! I love pleonast and i would Hate To See something like that happen to it!! :(

~Cody 
dragon_riderk dude! read ur e-mail! ;) 
heliocentricHey Kennon, I hate to bug you, but I was just wondering what the status is of all the old posts that got temporarily removed... It is temporary right? Or are they gone forever? Anyway there's no rush I just miss my old posts, and I was curious, so I thought I'd ask. 
kennonIt's just temporary. I'm actively working on the next version of pleonast and when that goes live, all of the old data will be there again.

Very sorry for the inconvenience! 
dragon_riderso! Whats the New Verson Gonna be like?? :)(: 
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